Mayavadi Philosophy: Analysis and Refutation

By Suhotra Prabhu (with additions by Jan)

I. Introduction: This outline will deal with 4 topics

A. What is Mayavada philosophy?
B. How to defeat it with their own arguments.
C. How to defeat it with Bhagavata arguments.
D. The historical background of the rise of Sankara's Mayavadi Vedanta in India.

II. Mayavada philosophy is very old.

A. Even the 4 Kumaras were impersonalists.
B. Any person in Maya is naturally a Mayavadi.

1. If you want to defeat someone you should know his philosophy.
2. We should know Mayavadi philosophy

a. for preaching.
b. for our own benefit as well, because we also are contaminated by it.
c. jnanam-karmani-anavrtam:

i. jnana is of 3 kinds: knowledge of self, God and oneness.
ii. the knowledge of oneness is being rejected. Knowledge of self and God explains everything nicely, including the oneness too. No need of such a separate department of knowledge.

III. Structure of Mayavada philosophy:

A. It is also called vivartavada (lit. "superimpositionism").

1. arthadhyasa - superimposition of one object on another.

2. jnanadhyasa - imposition of illusion upon oneself.

3. For this superimposition to happen, there must be:

a. Senses.
b. An abnormal situation (e.g. darkness).
c. Experience.
d. An example of above three components: seeing a rope as a snake in the darkness.

B. Philosophical proofs, and which philosophers accept them:

1. Direct perception (accepted by Carvakas).

2. Inference (anumana) + 1 is accepted by Buddhists.

a. Hypothesis = There is fire on the mountain.
b. Cause (hetu) = Because there is smoke there.
c. Example = Where there is smoke, there is fire.
d. Review of cause = The mountain has smoke...
e. Conclusion = ...therefore the mountain has fire.

3. Sabda (spiritual sound) + 1 & 2 is accepted by Vaisnavas.

4. Arthavati (similarity) + 1-3 is accepted by logicians.

a. "Have you seen a blue cow?"
b. "No, but I would know one if I did" (cow + blue).

5. Arthapatti: "This fat man does not eat in the day -> he must eat at night." (logicians)

6. Abhava (nonexistence) + 1-5 is accepted by Mayavadis.

a. Nonexistence means: "There is no cow here."
b. It is a kind of knowledge based on the absence of knowledge or perception of something.

C. Four categories within M.P.:

1. Sat = existence (Brahman).
2. Asat = nonexistence (horns on rabbit).
3. Sat-asat = something that exists for a time, then ceases to exist.
4. Anirvacaniya = neither 1-3, i.e. Maya (which makes one think a rope is a snake. Inexplicable, illusory).

D. Levels of perception according to Sankaracarya:

1. Paramarthika - transcendental (Brahman).
2. Vyavaharika - "practical".
3. Pratibhasika - apparent, but illusory (like dreaming).

a. One must go from this stage to next higher.
b. When coming to second stage,
individuality remains.
c. But at highest stage, individuality is erased.

E. Maya:

1. Maya is inexplicable; example - a dumb person cannot describe the taste of rasgulla, but still there is taste. Brahman is covered by Maya, but don't ask why.
2. Two stages of Maya:

a. Covering with illusion;
that's simply Maya.
b. Distorting with ignorance (avidya).

3. When Maya covers Brahman with illusion, Isvara consciousness appears. He is conditioned to be the Lord.
4. When Brahman is further distorted by avidya, jiva consciousness appears. Avidya makes the subtle body.
5. There is no transformation in this process, only imposition (of a false conception).
6. When illusion and ignorance are dispelled, no state of any describable existence remains.
7. Mayavadi story: Vyasadeva sent Sukadeva to learn from Janaka. Janaka said to Sukadeva, "Give me my dakshina before I teach you anything, because after you learn this teaching, you will reject everything, including me (the Guru)."

F. Example of Mayavadi logic:

1. Brahman "reflects" into Maya.
Q. But how? If it reflects
(e.g. moon on water) it must have a form.

2. A. First understand that Brahman is not a substance, so rules like that don't apply to it.

3. And apart from that, consider an object or a substance that has qualities. Form is one such quality. But does form have form?

4. Q. What are you saying, `Does form have form?'

5. A. When you see a shadow or reflection, what is being reflected - form or substance?

6. Q. Well - the form.

7. So the form is not the substance. Form is what is reflected, but that form is different from the substance.

G. Jayatirtha Muni gives this example of Mayavadi process: Just as when a person has a bad dream, the dream wakes him up; similarly, though the Mayavadi philosophy is still "maya", it can wake one up out of illusion.

H. Two schools of Mayavadi philosophy.

1. One accepts only Upanisads, Vedanta and Bhagavad-gita (prasthan-traya).

2. But the so-called Bhagavat-sampradaya (with acaryas like Citsukhacarya and Madhusudana Sarasvati) accept Puranas, Ramayana, etc. Just as Mayavadis in general are more dangerous than Buddhists, the Bhagavat-sampradaya is most dangerous of all. They even accept Krishna's form is spiritual, but say that when He returns to the Paramvyoma, His form "dissolves" into Brahman.

I. Bhag Tyag Laksana:

1. Bhag (person).
2. Tyag (give up)
3. I.e. Now you have this designation; give it up.

a. On wall of Vaishnava temple, a Mayavadi wrote "So'ham" (I am Him).
b. A devotee came later and added Da, "DaSo'ham" (I am His servant).
c. Mayavadi returned, added Sa for "SaDaSo'ham" (I am eternally Him).
d. Devotee returned again and added Da for "DaSaDaSo'ham" (I am the servant of His servant).

IV. Weaknesses of Mayavadi Philosophy.

A. Their "Brahman" and Vyasadeva's Brahman are not the same.

1. Their Brahman is the Brahmajyoti.
2. Vyasadeva's Brahman is Krishna, the Purusottama.
3. Because they have no interest in Krishna, their Brahman categorically has no reality (it is wrongly defined from the outset).

a. Vyasa used the word Brahman as we use the word "God."
b. It is a general term, used to create interest among as many people as possible (even those who are averse to Krishna).

B. They speak of "Savikalpa jnana" and "Nirvikalpa jnana", but these are actually the same thing.

1. Example of approaching a mountain from a distance - at each stage, the same entity is being viewed.
2. But Mayavadis say the far-off vision of a great shape on the horizon is of a different thing than the close-up view of the mountain.

C. They interpret Sanskrit words inaccurately to fit their own ideas.

1. Lord is "asarira." They say this means He has no sarira or body; but the root of the word sarira means "decay", so the word really refers to a body that decays, not simply a body.
2. Lord is "akarana." They say this means He has no senses; but this word really means that His senses are not energized by something else (e.g. as our material senses are energized by life energy) because He is without a source.

D. They interpret "He desired to become many" as meaning the progression from Brahman-Isvara-Jiva; but it is the Isvara who has the desire to become many. How the desireless Brahman desired to become the Isvara they do not explain.

E. If Brahman is all-pervading, where is Maya?

F. How is the Brahman cut into individual parcels of consciousness?

G. Mayavadis say, "By knowledge (jnana), one becomes Brahman."

1. But they also say that jnana and ajnana are Maya.
2. So you may remove your ajnana with jnana, but then with what will you remove the jnana?
3. To this they answer, "It is by the mercy of Brahman." (!)

H. They say Brahman is without energy (sakti). Then how does it exist? (No answer).

I. Snake and Rope:

1. In order for this example to have validity, the person must have prior knowledge of both "what is a rope" and "what is a snake." How can an undifferentiated Brahman have prior knowledge of Maya, which it then mistakes itself to be?
2. Besides that, in this example, the rope and snake are both real things, and that's why the illusion is effective. And since the illusion is effective, it is also true, i.e. the consequences of that illusion are no less effective than if the rope was really a snake (I'm scared, I scream, run away, etc.).

J. They say Maya is like a dream, but there's no continuity in our dreams from one night to the next. In the waking state we find day-to-day continuity. So to compare this life to a mere dream is facile.

K. Why is this illusion so consistent, if it is just hallucination? Why doesn't illusion come to us in other ways, e.g. instead of Brahman is the world (rope is a snake), why not the world is Brahman (snake is rope)?

L. Mayavadis say one can only achieve liberation after death. Then his individuality ceases forever.

1. But how does this relate to their favorite rope/snake analogy? One man lights a lamp and sees that the snake is really just a rope; another man runs off, frightened, never knowing it was an illusion. How are these two men different in their essential existence?

M. Who suffers in hell - soul or body?

1. Mayavadi may answer, "The body suffers only."
2. But the body is matter, is it not?
3. Yes.
4. How can dead matter suffer?
5. Then it must be the soul that suffers.
6. Then you are saying Brahman suffers? But your philosophy says there's no suffering in Brahman.

N. Sankara writes of the "vyavaharika" platform of existence, but nowhere is this word found in any scripture. Yet it is a fundamental component of his philosophy.

O. Upanisads say that nothing can attach itself to Brahman and it cannot be described in words. Sankara says these statements form the complete description of Brahman.

1. Sankara says - Take these descriptions literally.
2. How? By hearing these words, don't the Mayavadis become attached to Brahman?

P. Katha Upanisad 1.3.11:

mahataH param avyaktam
avyaktAt puruSaH paraH
puruSAn na paraM kiNcit
sA kASThA sA parA gatih

Above the mahat tattva is avyakta, above avyakta is Purusa, and beyond Him there is nothing else. He is the limit, the ultimate destination. [Jan: VedAnta sUtra 1.4.1 says that avyakta refers to the subtle body, not pradhAna. Similar verses from Parama saMhitA 25.63-65 refer to the macrocosm though:
bahir aNDa kapAt vedhA racayitvaiva tiSThati
aNDasyApi bahir yo 'yaM tasya buddhir bahiH sthitA
Outside of this cosmic egg is vedha (Brahman), having created this in this manner. Outside of where he is, is buddhi.
buddhes tu bahir avyaktam avyaktAt puruSaH paraH
paJca zaktimayo viSNur vAsudevaH sanAtanaH
Outside of this buddhi is avyakta. Outside avyakta is the Supreme Purusa. The eternal Vasudeva is Visnu with the five saktis.
naiva tasmAt paraM kiMcid AstikatvaM pitAmaha
satvan Adir anantaz ca parimANa vivarjitaH
There is nothing outside of Him, o Pitamaha. He is without beginning and end, being immeasurable.]

Q. Adi Sankaracarya in Sri Krishnastaka 9 speaks about bhakti _life after life_ (i.e. not as a mere tool for an impersonal liberation), the same idea expressed by Sri Caitanya in Siksastaka 4 (mama janmani janmanIzvare bhavatAd bhaktir ahaitukI tvayi):

yadA tadA yathA tathA tathaiva kRSNasatkathA
mayA sadaiva gIyatAM tathA kRpA vidhIyatAM
pramANikASTakadvayaM japatyadhItya yaH pumAna
bhavetsa nandanandane bhave bhave subhaktimAna

O Lord Krishna! Please bless me so that I may sing your glories and pastimes, regardless of the position I am in. Anyone who studies or recites these two authoritative ashtakas will be blessed with devotion to Krishna in every rebirth.

[Adi Sankaracarya wrote two astakas with similar names: Sri Krsnastaka and Krsnastakam. Both are included in the Janmastami katha file.]

satyapi bhedApagame nAtha tavAhaM na mAmakInastvam
sAmudro hi taraGgaH kvacana samudro na tAraGgaH

Oh Lord, even after realising that the Truth that there is no real difference between Jiva and Brahman, I beg to state that I am Yours and not that You are mine. The wave belongs to the ocean, not the ocean to the waves. (ViSNu SaTpadI stotram 3, quoted at the end of MAdhavIya ZaGkara Digvijaya)

V. A look at Jiva Gosvami's refutations of Mayavadi Philosophy:

A. He established the Srimad Bhagavatam as the sastric reference par excellence.

1. Brhad Aranyaka Upanisad 2.4.10 - 4 Vedas, Itihasa and Puranas have come from the breath of Narayana.
2. Chandogya Upanisad 3.15.7 - 4 Vedas, Itihasas and Puranas are 5th Veda.

a. 4 cows and 1 buffalo are never grouped as a herd of 5 cows, because a buffalo is not a cow.
b. 5 cows means 5 cows.

3. Mahabharata says "Puranas make Vedas complete."
4. Sankaracarya's guru's guru wrote a commentary on a book that cited slokas from the Srimad Bhagavatam.
5. Garuda Purana says "artho 'yam brahma sutranam": Bhagavat Purana gives meaning of Vedanta-sutra, Gayatri and the 4 Vedas.
6. Srimad Bhagavatam is the ripened fruit of the tree of the Vedic scriptures.
7. Srimad Bhagavatam is Veda: "It is compiled by the Lord Himself."
8. Sukadeva Goswami was a Brahmajnani who became a devotee. Vyasadeva compiled the Bhagavatam only for Sukadeva, because only he could understand it (his other disciples were not qualified).

a. Sukadeva ran away as soon as he was born. Vyasa told his other disciples to chant few verses from the Srimad Bhagavatam (acaryas mention 3.2.23, 10.1.2, 10.21.5, 10.21.7) in order to attract him back to the ashram (they were to chant these verses out loud when entering the forest to gather firewood or fetch water).
b. Thus Sukadeva was attracted and returned to learn Srimad Bhagavatam at the feet of his father. He cannot be attracted by anything material. Therefore S.B. has something higher than even Brahman realization (atmarama verse).

B. Srimad Bhagavatam establishes Krishna as the Param Brahman.

1. Hiranyakasipu used the "neti neti" process to negate any possible chance of his being killed by an enemy when he requested a boon from Lord Brahma.

a. He left no chance that any type of entity within the material world could harm him.
b. Practically he left only the Brahman. And that Brahman came as Narasingha and destroyed him; thus Lord Narsinghadeva is the Supreme Brahman.

2. Even Sridhar Swami has commented on "krishna 'stu bhagavan svayam".
3. In the wrestling arena, everyone saw Krishna differently. The yogis saw Him as the Tattva Paramam
(Supreme Truth).
4. The pastime of Lord Damodar shows how the Supreme is unlimited, yet has a body.
5. Devaki said, "That Brahman, jyoti...etc. that all the impersonalists (jnanis and yogis) are seeking is You."

Bhagavadgita and Harivamsa agree:
brahmaNo hi pratiSThAham (BG 14.27)
"I am the basis of the (impersonal) Brahman..."
Harivamsa:
brahmatejomayaM divyaM mahadyaddRSTavAnasi
ahaM sa bharataSreSTha mattejastatsanAtanam 2-114-9
"The divine expanse of Brahman effulgence you have seen is none other than Myself, o best of the Bharatas. It is My own eternal effulgence."
prakRtiH sA mama parA vyaktAvyaktA sanAtanI
yAM pravishya bhavantIha muktA yogaviduttamaH 2-114-10
"It comprises My eternal, spiritual energy, both manifest and unmanifest. The foremost yoga experts of this world enter within it and become liberated."
sa sAGkhyAnAM gatiH pArtha yoginAM cha tapasvinAm
tatpadaM paramaM brahma sarvaM vibhajate jagat 2-114-11
"It is the supreme goal of the followers of Sankhya, o Partha, as well as that of the yogis and ascetics. It is the Supreme Absolute Truth, manifesting the varieties of the entire created cosmos."
mAmeva taddhanaM tejo jJAtumarhasi bhArata
samudraH stabdha toyo 'ham ahaM stambhayitA jalam 2-114-12
"You should understand this brahmajyoti, o Bharata, to be My concentrated personal effulgence, like a frozen ocean water."

kRSNo nityaH zarIrI ca tasya tejo hi vartate
tejo 'bhyantara evAha kRSNa-mUrtiH sanAtanaH 34
dhyAyante yoginaH sarve tat-tejo bhakti-pUrvakam
supakva-bhaktyA kAlena yogI ca vaiSNavo bhavet 35
tejo 'bhyantara-rUpaM ca dhyAyante vaiSNavAH sadA
dAsAnAM ca kuto dAsyaM vinA dehena nArada 36
vaiSNavAnAM mataM zastaM sarvebhyo 'pi ca nArada
na vaiSNavAt paro jJAnI brahmANDeSu ca brahmaNaH 37

Krsna is eternal and He has a body and He has tejas (light). Within that light the eternal form of Krsna is existing. This is the opinion of the Vaisnavas.
All the Yogis meditate with devotion on that Light only. If they persist with devotion, they can in time become Vaisnavas.
The Vaisnavas meditate the form within that Light. O Narada! If the body does not exist, how the devotional service of a servant becomes possible?
O Narada! The opinion of the Vaisnavas is by far the best. In this universe there is no better jnani than the Vaisnavas. (Narada Pancaratra 2.7.34-37)

taj jyotir bhagavAn viSNur
jagaj janmAdi kAraNaM

That effulgence is of Lord Vishnu, who is the cause of the creation, etc. [i.e. maintenance and dissolution]. (Agni Purana 216.7??)

VI. Vadiraja's Refutations of Key Tenets of Mayavadi Philosophy.

A. Vadiraja comes in the line of Madhvacarya. He lived in the 16th century. He is said to have lived for 120 years.

B. How Vadiraja exposed Mayavadi misinterpretations:

1. Vadiraja showed how Mayavadis have taken the "neti-neti" statement out of context.

a. They say "not this, not this" means "not jiva, not jada" (Brahman is neither the individual soul, nor matter - therefore, since only Brahman exists, jiva and jada must be unreal).

b. But they've derived "neti-neti" from Brhad-aranyaka Upanisad 4.4.22, which states: "For the desire for sons is the desire for wealth and the desire for wealth the desire for worlds; both these are, indeed, desires only. This Self is not this, not this."

c. This verse is stating that the Self (atman) is not to be had by desiring wealth or worlds. The direct meaning is sufficient; the "jada-jiva" interpretation is without foundation.

2. The meaning of "advaita":

a. Mayavadis take "advaita" (not dual) to mean that Brahman has no difference. Therefore undifferentiated oneness is the only truth.
b. But the context is found in Chandogya Upanisad 6.2.1-2: "In the beginning, my dear, this was Being, one only, without a second."
c. Vadiraja showed that "one without a second" means, according to grammar and logic, "one Being without a second Being", or "He has no second", i.e. there is only one God. But this does not mean that some thing or things below God can't be distinguished from Him.

i. If the word "advitiyam" as it appears in this verse actually means that nothing except undifferentiated Brahman exists, then the very text from which the word comes would be unreal, as it is a feature of the realm of difference.
ii. Thus the validity of the text would be destroyed by the very philosophy the Mayavadis ascribe to it.
iii. He proved his point further with this example - if one says "The lotus is blue", he does not mean to say that "lotus" and "blue" are exact synonyms. He means that blueness is a quality of the lotus. Similarly, when sastra says "Brahman is everything", "everything" and "Brahman" are not exact synonyms from Brahman (but as Brahman has qualities we don't have, still there is distinction in this inseparability).

3. Vadiraja points out that Mayavadis say that both practical life and the scriptures are on the vyavaharika platform - which means both are ultimately unreal. Yet they honor the scriptures and honor sattvik life as dispellers of illusion.

a. In practical life, what is "true" is what works, i.e. what brings good results. What is "untrue" breeds bad results. But a Mayavadi cannot distinguish between these two categories of action. Thus even on their so-called vyavaharika platform, they have no ultimate reference for deciding what is auspicious and what is inauspicious.
b. For example, using a Mayavadi analogy, the Mayavadis are not able to explain the difference between a man who sees that there is no silver in a silvery shell and the man who thinks that silver is there.

i. They will say the man who discovered his error is conventionally correct (vyavaharika), and the man who did not is under pratibhasika illusion.
ii. But the main thing is, both are in ultimate illusion. Now, the silvery shell analogy is used by them to illustrate how one comes out of ULTIMATE illusion and attains the truth (paramarthika). Yet, using their own doctrine as the test, this example proves itself invalid. So what are we left with?

4. Vadiraja compares the Mayavadis with Paundraka. He asks, "If Mayavadi philosophy is so pregnant with Truth, why did Krishna and His associates in Dvaraka laugh derisively when they heard Paundraka's letter, which simply made the same claims as the Mayavadi philosophers? Why did Sukadeva Goswami, when reciting this event to Maharaja Pariksit before the learned assembly of great saints and sages, did not come to the rescue of this doctrine?" Especially since the Mayavadis would hold that Krishna, His court, Sukadeva, Pariksit, the assembly of sages and Vyasa were actually all Mayavadis too.

5. How Mayavadis explain the perception of this world:

a. Brahman is the only reality.
b. When we see an object (e.g. a silvery shell), it is nothing other than the Brahman-consciousness itself appearing in that way.
c. But Brahman appears like a shell because of upadhi (designation) that is superimposed upon it.
d. Still, Pure Consciousness shines through the upadhi, making the object perceivable to our minds and senses.
e. This phenomenon of appearance is happening because Brahman is obscured by avidya.
f. Before avidya can be removed, a vritti (modification) of the viewer's mind must destroy the avidya surrounding the silvery shell when the senses make contact with it. This vritti is compared to a canal through which pure consciousness flows to envelop the object in right understanding.
g. When that happens, Brahman is mirrored in the vritti which then lights up the object, revealing its true identity with Brahman. Note: in this philosophy, the senses do not perceive the object. Nor even the mind. Nor the vritti, for the vritti is but a key that unlocks the door behind which is the floodlight of Brahman, which is the only reality.

i. Who perceives the object? The Mayavadi answers that the jiva (individual soul) does.
ii. But the jiva is verily Brahman, who thinks himself an individual due to avidya.
iii. By seeing the object in its true light, the jiva knows its oneness with Brahman.

6. Vadiraja probes the Mayavadi explanation of perception:

a. If in the example of the silvery shell, only the Brahman-consciousness is perceiving, then how can the shell be seen in two ways?

i. If the origin of the phenomenon "silvery shell" is one and only one, why is it sometimes seen as a shell, and sometimes as silver?

ii. The only "real" mechanism available to explain this (since shell, avidya, jiva, senses, mind, and even vritti are illusory) is that Brahman is "shining forth." For this, Sankara has quoted a verse that appears in three Upanisads (Katha 2.2.15, Mundaka 2.2.15, Svetasvatara 6.14): "The shell? is lighted."

b. Still, there is no reason for the silver shell illusion in the statement, "Brahman shines forth", nor in the quotes given to support the statement.
c. Mayavadis say maya has two powers - veiling and projecting. When it obscures Brahman, it exercises the first potency, and when it projects an object (the shell) onto consciousness, the second potency is exercised. But what about the illusion of silver in the shell? That is not explained.
d. Vadiraja asks another question: Mayavadis say out of the avidya came the covering of the whole. So how does the one "part" get transferred to the other (the object to the perceiving consciousness)? Because, in Mayavadi philosophy, these two "parts" are dealt with as being two separate manifestations of Brahman, i.e. Mayavadis do not say the object and perceiver are identical with each other, but that both are separate.
e. Mayavadis have an answer: the object is imposed upon the perceiver by means of the vritti (mental adjustment). But then Vadiraja is quick to point out that the vritti was first postulated as the means of illumination. Now it is being used as the cause for an illusory perception of an object as well. So what is the need of saying the object...
f. The Mayavadis give material objects too much reality by identifying them with Brahman; on the other hand, they give them too little reality by saying they are illusions.
g. Mayavadis say there is a sakti of avidya called jadatmika avidyasaktih, and this potency transforms itself into the visible material manifestations of objects. But this avidya is said to be destroyed upon enlightenment (i.e. when the vritti illuminates the object). So, when ignorance is destroyed, then the jadatmika sakti must also be destroyed, the object itself would be destroyed.

i. One Mayavadi commentator, Bharatitirtha, has an answer of sorts to this penetration of their philosophy. He says there are two kinds of ignorance: one which is covering the jiva and another which covers the Lord. The jiva-ignorance (pratibhasika) is removable when an object shines forth, but the Lord-ignorance (vyavaharika) is removed only at the time of liberation (or death).
ii. But Bharatitirtha says this distinction between illusions is vyavaharika (illusory).

h. Since ignorance is destroyed, but the object remains even after enlightenment, then it follows that the object is the supreme Brahman; in other words, Brahman is maya. There is no need for Mayavadis to postulate their elaborate theories of how Brahman is covered by ignorance, etc. The bottom line is: Brahman is maya - which runs directly against all sastra.
i. Another evidence of this is - the vritti is the cause of enlightenment as well as ignorance. This vritti is also maya. So maya gives both illusion and knowledge.
j. The Mayavadis have two theories regarding world-appearance: 1) superimposition and 2) the material causality of ignorance (the aforementioned jadatmika avidyasaktih). These theories are mutually exclusive: one demands that ignorance be destroyed (by the vritti) for objects to appear; the other demands that ignorance be present for objects to exist.
k. Vadiraja says, "unintelligibility is not only the trademark of your ignorance, it is also the trademark of your methodology." He's spoofing the Mayavadi Vimuktatman (13th century) who wrote: "Unintelligibility is the trademark of ignorance, not an objection to it"; i.e., you can't hold our philosophy accountable for being unintelligible because it is describing unintelligible.

7. Other arguments:

a. The Mayavadis attribute no qualities or powers to Brahman. Avidya creates an illusion of separate identity from Brahman; their example is that Brahman is like space, and avidya is like a pot. Vadiraja asks, "Then from where do activities arise? Does the space in a pot exhibit activities?"
b. Since Mayavadis have no answer for this, it would appear that they are postulating a completely different consciousness for each embodied being, consciousnesses which in turn are different from the impersonal Brahman. Then what good for is their adherence to oneness of consciousness of all beings?

VII. A historical comparison of Vaisnava-vedanta, Mayavadi-vedanta and Buddhism.

A. Many uninformed people think 'Vedanta' is synonymous with Sankaracarya's Mayavadi Advaita-Vedanta. But originally Vedanta meant Vaisnava-vedanta. The Vedanta-sutras were compiled by Vyasadeva, a Vaisnava. The Srimad Bhagavatam is the natural commentary on the Vedanta-sutra, written by Vyasadeva himself 5000 years ago.

1. The philosophy of Sankaracarya (date of birth controversial), is really just Buddhism in disguise, as explained by Padma Purana 6.236.7-11 (p. 3191 / pdf 937 in MUM e-edition padma_purana_6uttara.pdf):
mAyAvAdam asac chAstraM pracchanaM baddha ucyate
mayaiva kathitaM devi kalau brAhmaNa rUpiNA
"The doctrine of Maya (illusion) is a wicked doctrine and said to be pseudo-Buddhist. I myself, of the form of a brahmana, proclaimed it in Kali (yuga)."
apArtham zruti vAkyAnAM darzayan loka garhitam
svakarmma rUpam tyajyatvam atra iva pratipadhyate
"It shows the meaninglessness of the words of the holy texts and is condemned in the world. In this (doctrine) only the giving up of one's own duties is expounded."
sarva karmma paribhraStair vaidharmmatvaM tad ucyate
pareza jIva pAraikyaM mayAtu pratipAdyate
"And that is said to be religiousness by those who have fallen from all duties. I have propounded the identity of the Highest Lord and the (individual) soul."
brahmaNosya svayaM rUpaM nirguNaM vakSyate mayA
sarvasya jagato 'py atra mohanArthaM kalau yuge
vedArthavan mahAzAstram mAyayA yada vaidikam
mayaiva kalpitaM devi jagatAM nAza kAraNAt
"I stated this Brahman's nature to be qualityless. O goddess, I myself have conceived, for the destruction of the worlds, and for deluding the world in this Kali age, the great doctrine resembling the purport of the Vedas, (but) non-Vedic due to the principle of Maya (illusion) (present in it)."

Similar verses are found in Satvata tantra 9.6 and 9.8:

ahaM coktaH pRthak tena
zrInivAsena brahmaNA
kalpitair Agamair nityaM
mAM gopAya mahezvara

Then the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the husband of the goddess of fortune, singled me out and said: "O Siva, you should again and again conceal Me with many scriptures you write from your own imagination."

tato me hy AgamaiH kRSNaM
AcchAdya na tu devatAH
yantrair mantraiz ca tantraiz ca
darzitA phaladA dvija

Then I concealed Lord Krsna with many scriptures, but I did not conceal the demigods. O brahmana, I revealed a series of religious rituals, mantras, mystic diagrams, and amulets that bring specific benefits.

2. This can be demonstrated by the chronology of key Mayavadi philosophical explanations, which appear first in Buddhist scriptures and later show up in the philosophy of Sankara and his followers.

When discussing the passage "na idam upAsate" in his Kena bhashya Adi Sankara makes the following pUrvapaksa argument: "The supreme Brahman cannot be the self. Instead it must be Isvara, Visnu, prana or Indra, since it is logically not feasible for the Atman to be Brahman."

Adi Sankara recognized only Lord Narayana as the saguna-Brahman since in all of his commentaries on sastras like Upanisads, Brahma sutras, Bhagavad gita and Visnu sahasranama he has equated only Lord Narayana to saguna-Brahman and all other devas as sub-ordinate to Him. Some scholars claim that stotras on other devas as being saguna-Brahman attributed to Adi Sankara are later.

There are over a hundred works attributed to Sankara. They contain a wide diversity of views and contradictions, styles, and formats. They are unlikely to all be by him. How does one determine which are likely to be his? Works commented on by writers whom we believe to be his direct disciples form the core of the works we think are actually his. Based on careful study of those works Hacker and Mayeda have devised a set of criteria for determining which of the rest are likely to be his: (Karl H. Potter et al., The Encyclopaedia of Indian Philosophies, entry 'ZaMkara', p. 115)

(1) Use of the term 'avidyA' to mean superimposition ('adhyAsa'), and not as synonymous with such terms as 'jada', 'bhAvarUpa', 'AvaraNa-' or 'vikSepa-zakti', or 'anirvacaniya'
(2) use of the term 'nAmarUpa' to mean the original world stuff, like SAMkhya's 'prakRti'
(3) relatively infrequent use of the term 'mAyA' in comparison with 'avidyA'
(4) frequent occurrence of the term 'Izvara' (it is found less frequently in later Advaitins, including ZaMkara's pupils)
(5) reluctance or refusal to accept 'Ananda' as a positive property of Brahman
(6) nonoccurrence of the term 'vivarta' in its 'illusionistic' sense as the relation between a cause and its only apparent, unreal effect. These are among the main tests; various others are also proposed. (see also)

Based on those criteria out of the more than a hundred ascriptions a handful of texts have been accepted as his:
1. Brahma-sutra-bhasya, 2. Upadesasahasri, 3. commentaries on the Brhad-aranyaka, Taittiriya, Kena, Chandogya, Prasna, Yoga-sutras, etc. These have been accepted by just about everyone. Somewhat surprisingly not everyone accepts the Bhagavad-gita- bhasya or the Gaudapada-karika-bhasya as his. All the works accepted show Vaisnava leanings. None show Saivite or Sakta leanings.

B. With the advent of the Age of Quarrel (Kali-yuga), the six systems of Vedic philosophy (i.e. Nyaya, Vaisesika, Sankhya, Yoga, Karma Mimamsa and Brahma Mimamsa) which were originally the different departments of Vedic study like the departments of study at a university, began to compete with one another.

C. By the time of the Buddha (500 BC), philosophical disputation between the six schools had become rampant all over India. The philosophy of the Buddha spin-offs of the quarrels of the six systems.

1. Both Buddhism and Jainism combine different aspects of the six systems, and both reject the authority of the Vedic scriptures, because the constant bickering of the Vedic philosophers had already undermined the force of Vedic authority among the people.

2. Buddha descended to lead people away from Vedic scholarship and ritualism, which atheistic-minded brahmanas had turned into dry mental speculation and animal slaughter. In reaction against these brahmanas, the Buddhist philosophical conclusion is Sunyavada (voidism), and the ritualistic conclusion is Ahimsa (nonviolence).

D. Vedanta according to early Buddhist records.

1. It is clear from Buddhist scriptures that "Vedanta" was originally synonymous with Vaishnava-vedanta.

a. Certain pre-Sankara Buddhist scriptures contain descriptions of the teachings of philosophers who used to argue against the Buddhists. These scriptures were originally in Sanskrit, but now only exist in Chinese and Tibetan translations.
b. The Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra (written around 150 A.D.) and the Satyasiddhisastra (250 A.D.) say that the followers of the Vedas and Upanisads believe in the Mahapurusa, who existed before the world began and exists within the heart of all creatures with a form of the size of a thumb. The Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra says that the followers of the Vedas believe that, "All that exists is nothing but Purusa. All that happens is caused by the transformation of the self-existent Isvara."
c. In a work called Sastra by Aryadeva, Vedantists are portrayed as those who believe that the world was created by Brahma, who appeared from the navel of Vishnu.
d. In the Tattvasamgraha, the Buddhist writer Kamalasila equates "Vedavadin" with "Purusavadin."
e. The Buddhist writer Bhavya in the Madhyamika-hrdaya-karika describes the Vedanta philosophy as "Bhedabheda" ("one-and-different") philosophy [Gaudiya Vaisnavas call their own philosophy Acintya Bhedabheda-tattva].
f. Conclusion: Pre-Sankara Vedantism was personal (aimed at knowing Vishnu) and did not hold to a doctrine of "all-is-illusion-only".

2. In Buddhist scriptures like the Mahaparinirvana-sutra and the Lankavatara sutra the seeds of Sankara's Mayavadi philosophy are found.

a. There are four main schools of Buddhist philosophical thought, which appeared one after the other before Sankara's Mayavadi philosophy.

i. Vaibhasika, or direct realism.
ii. Sautrantika, or representationalism.
iii. Vijnanavada, or subjective idealism.
iv. Sunyavada, or voidism (madhyamika Buddhism).
Monier-Williams dictionary:
'sunyavada' - m. the (Buddhist) doctrine of the non-existence (of any Spirit either Supreme or human)

b. Sri Yamunacarya, writing in Siddhitraya, and Ramanujacarya in his Sribhasya, have both pointed out the similarities between Sankara's Mayavada and Vijnanavada. Vallabhacarya also mentioned the same point.
c. The Sunyavada philosophy teaches that sunya (void) is an inexpressible and transcendent truth (a concept echoed in Sankara's explanation of Brahman). The Vijnanavada school teaches that consciousness is the only truth and that the world we perceive is illusion. Mayavada says the same.

i. Moreover, in the Lankavatara-sutra, Sunyavada is expressed in terms that resemble Upanisadic language: nisthabhava param brahma ("the Supreme Brahman is the ultimate state of existence"). This work also asserts that the words Brahman, Vishnu and Isvara are other names for the Buddha-consciousness.
ii. Sunyavada had an influence on the members of the Brahminical community who were atheistic at heart. Gradually this began to influence Vedanta scholarship. Mayavada began to appear in Vedanta commentaries even before Sankaracarya; for example, in the writings of Gaudapada.

3. That Mayavada had stolen the salient features of sunyavada was not unnoticed by the Buddhists themselves.

a. In a Chinese version of the Mahaparinirvana-sutra, written after Buddhism was driven out of India, we find the following note regarding the state of affairs of Buddhist philosophy in India of that time: "Nowadays there are some remaining teachings of Buddha that were stolen by Brahmins and written into their own commentaries."
b. A Buddhist writer by the name of Bhartrhari, who lived about the same time as Sankaracarya, wrote that Sankara had similar ideas as did he and other Buddhist philosophers of that time.

4. Furthermore, we find in the writings of early Mayavadis a self-conscious defense against the charge that their philosophy is simply Buddhism in new dress.

a. One, Sriharsa, in a work called Khandana-khanda-khadya, says that while Buddhism says the world of multiplicity is false, we Mayavadis say the world of multiplicity is non-dual, or advaita.
b. But that's a poor defense, because Mayavadis also say Brahma satya, jagan mithya ("Brahman is truth, the world is illusion"). And Buddhists say enlightenment means understanding pratitya-samutpada, or "conditioned co-production", which is a monistic theory of the world. [It is refuted by sabda (SB 11.22.46-51) and by pratyaksa and anumana in the form of OBE and NDE - the witness of changes can't be himself changing.]

Further quotes compiled by Jan:

vizvam satyam Rig Veda 2.24.12

apANipAdo javano grahItA pazyaty acakSuH sa zRNoty akarNaH sa vetti vedyAM na ca tasyAsti vettA tam Ahur agryAM puruSaM mahAntam

Grasping without hands, moving without feet, He sees without eyes, He hears without ears. He knows what is to be known, but no one knows Him. They call Him the First, the Great Person. (Svetasvatara Upanisad 3.19)

praNavo dhanuH zaro hy AtmA brahma tal lakSyam ucyate

The syllable OM is the bow, the soul is the arrow, and Brahman is the target, it is said. (Mundaka UpaniSad 2.2.4)

avyaktAt tu paraH puruSo vyApako 'liNga eva ca
yaM jJAtvA mucyate jantur amRtatvaM ca gacchati
na sandRze tiSThati rUpam asya na cakSuSA pazyati kazcanainam
hRdA manISA manasAbhikLpto ya etad vidur amRtAs te bhavanti

Beyond the Unmanifested is the Person (Purusha), the all-pervading and entirely imperceptible. Every creature that knows Him is liberated and obtains immortality.
His form is not to be seen by eyes. He is perceived by the heart, by wisdom, by the mind. Those who know this, are immortal. (Katha Upanisad 2.3.8-9)

Vedanta sutra 1.3.42-43: suSupty-utkrAntyor bhedena
The Lord is different (bheda) from jiva both in deep sleep (susupti) and departure from the body (utkranta).

paty-Adi-zabdebhyaH
This is seen from the words (zabda) pati (Lord, master of all jivas) and others.

The gist of Sariraka bhasya 1.3 is about the difference between jiva and Paramatma: "That the chapter aims at setting forth the nature of the non-transmigrating Self, we have to conclude from that circumstance also that there occur in it terms such as Lord and so on, intimating the nature of the non-transmigrating Self, and others excluding the nature of the transmigrating Self." (trans. G. Thibaut; non-transmigrating Self = Paramatma, transmigrating Self = jiva)

Adi Sankaracarya wrote in his commentary on NrsiMha TApanI UpaniSad 2.4: muktApi lIlayA vigraham kRtvA tvAm bhajanti - "Even the liberated souls worship You in Your pastime-forms." The reason:

yat kRtaM paramaM rUpam anirdezyam alakSaNam
na tasya puruSaH pUjAm icched vibudho 'pi san

That supreme form which is undefinable and without features, no man, even though very wise, would wish to worship. (Parama samhita 24.26)

Moreover, his book Prabodha sudhakara, skipped in some lists of his works, culminates - uncomfortably for Mayavadis - by Sri Krsna's Vrindavan lila described in several chapters.

Baladeva VidyAbhUSana says at the end of his Govinda BhASya to Vs. 2.2.32: lokAyatikAdi-matAni tv atitucchatvAd bhagavatA sUtrakAreNa pratyAkhyAtuM noTTaGkitAnIti veditavyam | etena bauddha-nirAsena tat- sadRzo mAyI ca nirastaH | kSaNikatvam anusRtya dRSTi-sRSTi-varNanAt zUnya-vAdam Azritya vivarta-nirUpaNAc ca tasya tat-sAdRzyam - (The Buddhist doctrine being refuted, its sister doctrine the MAyAvAda also stands defeated.) The author of the sUtras has made no attempt to refute the LokAyatikas or materialists, because their arguments are perfectly futile. The DRSTi-sRSTivAda doctrine that creation depends upon perception, and the Vivarta-vAda doctrine that creation is an illusion similar to the snake and the rope hold in common with the Buddhist teaching that all things are of momentary existence only. Hence the refutation of Buddhism refutes all these teachings as well.

The last pada of Vs. (esp. 4.4.17-21) further elaborates on the difference among liberated jivas and the Lord, affirmed even by Adi Sankara in his Sariraka bhasya.

Prominent advaitist Madhusudana Sarasvati (see B.P. Kesava Maharaja's book Vaisnava Vijaya on the history of mayavada) got a glimpse of Krishna as it's obvious from his mangalacarana at the beginning of Advaita siddhi sara samgraha (compiled by V. Swaminathan and published by Sankara Nilayam, Chennai, 2001):

vaMZI vibhUSita karAn nava niradabhAt
pItAmbarad aruNa bimba phaladharoSTAt
pUrNendu sundara mukhAd aravinda netrAt
kRSNAt param kim api tattvam aham na jAne 750

I do not know of Truth other than Krsna, whose hand is adorned with the flute, who shines like the fresh clouds, who wears the yellow cloth, whose lips are red as the bimba fruit, whose face is attractive as that of the full moon and whose eyes are like that of the lotus.

dvaitaM bandhAya mokSAt prAk prApte bodhe manISayA
bhaktyarthaM kalpitam dvaitaM advaitAd api sundaram *

"Duality is bondage before moksa and wisdom after realization. The duality accepted for the purpose of bhakti is sweeter than even non-duality."

Note: * The source of this fourth sloka by Madhusudana Sarasvati is not known but it is quoted by Sri Gautamananda, head of Ramakrishna Mutt, Madras.

Shiva in Kularnava tantra (1.110) says: "Some desire dualism (dvaita), others nondualism (advaita) but my truth is beyond both (dvaitadvaitavivarjita)." This hints on the bhedabheda.

Regarding the impersonalists who merge into the Causal Ocean or Viraja River, Srila Prabhupada gave the example of the Buddhists in the Topmost Yoga System (Chapter 9). Buddhists do not accept the bliss of the eternal atman or self as the goal (like the atmaramas). They aim at the unmanifest state of material nature (pradhana) as their goal. The "near" shore of the Causal Ocean is identified with pradhana, which Sukadeva Gosvami describes as "sunya-vat" in SB Canto 12. Sunya-vat means "like a void." (Similarly in SB 9.9.49: ...brahma paraM sUkSmam azUnyaM zUnya-kalpitam bhagavAn vAsudeveti... the Parabrahman, Lord VAsudeva, is subtle; not void but imagined to be so.) The position of such sunyavadis, like the Buddhists, who merge into pradhana is even less secure than the brahmanandis, because the pradhana is the upadana-karana (ingredient source) of the material manifestation. The "far" shore of the Causal Ocean is the entrance to the spiritual world, which may be called Brahmaloka and Siddhaloka.

sakAro hi sukhe naiva nirAkAro na drzyate
sevArasas ca sakAre nirAkAre na vai rasaH
sakArena nirAkAro jJAyate svayam eva hi
hari smRti prasAdena romancita tanur yadA

Due to the happiness (sukha) derived by serving the form of the Supreme Lord, one forgets the impersonal feature of the Lord because the pleasure (rasa) derived by serving the personal form of the Lord cannot be derived by the impersonal feature. If by serving the form of the Supreme Lord and remembering Him, hairs of the body stand on end, then this personal feature of the Lord automatically gives an understanding of the impersonal feature. (Padma Purana, Uttara Khanda 131.104,105)

The merging of the living entity along with its conditional living tendency with the mystic lying down of Maha-Visnu is called the winding up of this cosmic manifestation (nirodha). Liberation, mukti, is the permanent situation of the form of the living entity after he gives up the changeable gross and subtle material bodies." Direct reply to the Buddhists, definition of destruction and liberation. (SB 2.10.16)

From the purport: After the winding up of the cosmic manifestation most of the conditioned souls merge into the existence of Maha-Visnu, Personality of Godhead, lying in His mystic slumber, to be created again in the next creation...

This is the defect of their philosophy; they aspire for the sunya, but they place themselves in the pradhana and they will be created again.

paramArthikam advaitaM dvaitaM bhajana hetave
tAdrzI yadi bhaktiH syAt sA tu mukti zatAdhikA

Bhakti is hundred times superior to mukti. (MadhusUdana SarasvatI, Advaita siddhi)

Parabrahman has a human-like form:

atha bhagavaMs tavAsmAbhir akhila-jagad-utpatti-sthiti-laya-nimittAyamAna-divya-mAyA-vinodasya sakala-jIva-nikAyAnAm antar-hRdayeSu bahir api ca brahma-pratyag-Atma-svarUpeNa pradhAna-rUpeNa ca yathA-deza-kAla-dehAvasthAna-vizeSaM tad-upAdAnopalambhakatayAnubhavataH sarva-pratyaya-sAkSiNa AkAza-zarIrasya sAkSAt para-brahmaNaH paramAtmanaH kiyAn iha vArtha-vizeSo vijJApanIyaH syAd visphuliGgAdibhir iva hiraNya-retasaH.

O Lord, as the small sparks of a fire cannot possibly perform the actions of the whole fire, we sparks of Your Lordship cannot inform You of the necessities of our lives. You are the complete whole. Therefore, of what do we need to inform You? You know everything because You are the original cause of the cosmic manifestation, the maintainer and the annihilator of the entire universal creation. You always engage in Your pastimes with Your spiritual and material energies, for You are the controller of all these varied energies. You exist within all living entities, within the cosmic manifestation, and also beyond them. You exist internally as Parabrahman and externally as the ingredients of the material creation. Therefore, although manifested in various stages, at different times and places, and in various bodies, You, the Personality of Godhead, are the original cause of all causes. Indeed, You are the original element. You are the witness of all activities, but because You are as great as the sky, You are never touched by any of them. You are the witness of everything as Parabrahman and ParamAtmA. O Supreme Personality of Godhead, nothing is unknown to You. (SB 6.9.42)

yUyaM nR-loke bata bhUri-bhAgA
lokaM punAnA munayo 'bhiyanti
yeSAM gRhAn AvasatIti sAkSAd
gUDhaM paraM brahma manuzya-liGgam

"My dear MahArAja YudhiSThira, you PANDavas are so very fortunate in this world that many, many great saints, who can purify all the planets of the universe, come to your house just like ordinary visitors. Furthermore, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, KRSNa, is living confidentially with you in your house, just like your brother." (SB 7.15.75)

tan-mAtaro veNu-rava-tvarotthitA
utthApya dorbhiH parirabhya nirbharam
sneha-snuta-stanya-payaH-sudhAsavaM
matvA paraM brahma sutAn apAyayan

The mothers of the boys, upon hearing the sounds of the flutes and bugles being played by their sons, immediately rose from their household tasks, lifted their boys onto their laps, embraced them with both arms and began to feed them with their breast milk, which flowed forth because of extreme love specifically for KRSNa. Actually KRSNa is everything, but at that time, expressing extreme love and affection, they took special pleasure in feeding KRSNa, the Parabrahman, and KRSNa drank the milk from His respective mothers as if it were a nectarean beverage. (SB 10.13.22)

evaM sakRd dadarzAjaH
para-brahmAtmano 'khilAn
yasya bhAsA sarvam idaM
vibhAti sa-carAcaram

Thus Lord BrahmA saw the Supreme Brahman, by whose energy this entire universe, with its moving and nonmoving living beings, is manifested. He also saw at the same time all the calves and boys as the Lord's expansions. (SB 10.13.22)

yador vaMzaM naraH zrutvA sarva pApaiH pramucyate
yatrAvatIrNaM kRSNAkhyaM paraM brahma narAkRti

"Listening to the description of Yadu dynasty removes all sins of a human being because in it the Supreme Brahman named KRSNa descended to this world in His original humanlike form." (ViSNu PurANa 4.11.4, Venkatezvara Steam Press edition)

narAkRti paraM brahma
paripUrNaH parodayaH
sarva-jJAnAdi-sampUrNaH
pUrNAnandaH purAtanaH

He is the Supreme Brahman, who has a humanlike form (narAkRti paraM brahma), He is perfect and complete (paripUrNa), He is the Supreme (parodaya), He is full of all opulences, beginning with all-knowledge (sarva-jJAnAdi-sampUrNa), He is full of transcendental bliss (pUrNAnanda), and He is the oldest (purAtana). (SAtvata tantra 6.110)

Prof. Raimundo Panikkar, "Vedic Experience":

"We may leave aside the question whether the idea of pure transcendence is originally Buddhist or is to be found independently in the Upanishads. The fact remains not only that the expression brahmanirvana appears in the Gita but also that the intuition that underlies it lurks, as it were, everywhere in the Upanishads. This type of heaven is no longer a place in time or space, nor is it even being or Being, but it transcends every category in order to plunge into the infinite state of what the later Buddhist tradition calls total and absolute emptiness: shunyata."

Perhaps anticipating Srila Prabhupada's mission in the West, Anthroposophy founder Rudolf Steiner, a half-century earlier, introduced the concept of acintya-bhedabheda-tattva. And like Srila Prabhupada, Steiner places greater emphasis on the distinction (as opposed to oneness) between the jiva and the Supreme Being:

"We must not confuse the state in which the personality becomes one with the all-embracing spirit of life, with an absorption into the universal spirit which annihilates the personality. Such a disappearance does not take place in a true development of the personality. Personality continues to be preserved as such in the relationship into which it enters with the spirit world. It is not the subjection of the personality, but its highest development that occurs. If we wish to have a simile for this coincidence or union of the individual spirit with the all-encompassing spirit, we cannot choose that of many different coinciding circles that are lost in one circle, but we must choose the picture of many circles, each of which has a quite distinct shade of color. These variously colored circles coincide, but each separate shade preserves its color existence within the whole. Not one loses the fullness of its individual power. The further description of the path will not be given here. It is given as far as possible in my Occult Science, an Outline, which forms a continuation of this book." (Rudolf Steiner: Theosophy, Chapter IV - The Path of Knowledge, end of chapter)

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